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    by Anonymous on Tuesday August 20 2002, @12:02PM (#8604)
    Somebody please explain which board members were involved in the evaluation teams.
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    Re:ICANN's lost credibility - a process no longer
    by Anonymous on Tuesday August 20 2002, @12:35PM (#8605)
    Since ICANN has chosen to exclude the Internet Users constituency from its Board, why should Internet Users trust its Board not to meddle "behind closed doors" with its evaluation teams, or their selection, or their results.

    Its fairly academic anyway, since the ICANN Board decides in the end anyway.

    The key point of concern is the correlation between ICANN friends and the contracts they receive.

    You know the reality : no-one trusts ICANN these days from DoC downwards. They are regarded as unaccountable. They kick out the category of Directors most likely to rock their boat. Their dealings with a clique of "inner" registrars appear opaque and incestuous. The trust's gone. The credibility's gone.

    Of course you can say: "Oh but the Directors weren't on the evaluation team".

    But the contract still goes to exactly the "in-house buddies" (a perception) that everybody feared. And do independent evaluations match up? No? Well so what? ALSC recommended @ large Directors but they were ignored as well.

    The outcome gives the impression of the contract about to be granted BY Icann Directors TO people who are close allies.

    With ICANN, the process is no longer trusted.

    So you have to judge by the outcomes instead.

    The credibility's gone. The outcomes stink.

    Richard Henderson
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    Re: Board Members not involved?
    by fnord (reversethis-{moc.oohay} {ta} {k2yorg}) on Tuesday August 20 2002, @06:36PM (#8613)
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    The Board hires the staff, the staff is thus at least theoretically (and even on paper) subservient to the BoD. The staff comes up with an evaluation process, the BoD OK's it. The staff then recommends the evaluation teams. The BoD then OK's them. The evaluation teams then come forward with their recommendations, the staff then interprets those recommendations. The BoD then (though we have yet to see it) OK's it. The BoD and staff are all over this, although not in that order. It is all very well for the BoD to use the staff as an insulator and say, it wasn't our decision, the staff (and evaluators) made us do it. And it is all very well for the staff to say, it wasn't our decision, we're only doing what the evaluation teams called for (which is, frankly, crap), or that we're only doing what our employers told us to do, or at least OK'd.

    What this current spin that you're trying shows only too well is that no-one in the ICANN pantheon will accept responsibility for their actions, they will go ahead and act (always to the benefit of a very few players who are already the source of most of ICANN's funds), and when they are challenged on any actions they will point at someone else and claim the devil made them do it. There is no leadership here, no integrity, no accountability (a BoD member has to sue to even see the accounts!), these folks are as worthy of trust as a nest of vipers. When you deal with them remember you might as well shake hands with snakes. -g

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