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    Re: OpenDemocracy Interviews Esther Dyson
    by Anonymous on Thursday August 15 2002, @08:45PM (#8523)
    I'm surprised that Esther didn't mention the most obvious lessens that ought to have been learned from ICANN:

    1. A charter with absolutely clear and inviolable limitations on the scope of the organization.

    2. Avoidance of Orwell-like self deception (such as closed meetings being "open" or that things like the UDRP are "technical coordination".)

    3. That Joe Sims ought to have been discharged the moment he was hired.

    4. That there is no legitimacy in decisions made without the informed consent of the public.
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    Re: OpenDemocracy Interviews Esther Dyson
    by rhill on Thursday August 15 2002, @09:46PM (#8526)
    User #3320 Info | http://www.itu.int/ITU-T/
    Esther Dyson was quoted as stating:

    "The US government then says, ‘You’re absolutely right. We’ll hand it over to the International Telecommunications Union (ITU)’ – which has been holding meetings, making moves and planning how to take it over."

    It is a matter of public record that the ITU has not proposed to take over any of ICANN's functions. ITU Member States support the proposal that has been made, which is that ICANN and ITU could engage in discussions to explore ways in which further cooperation could take place.

    Esther is also quoted as stating:

    "ICANN will then become part of the ITU, which for years was basically lobbying against the very existence of the Internet."

    ITU's current membership, whether industry or government, is promoting the adoption of Internet.

    Esther is also quoted as stating:

    "Then [ITU] could say, for example, ‘These particular web sites which criticise governments should lose their domain names because they are not in the public interest’;"

    ITU does not interfere in matters which are more properly handled by national laws and regulations. For example, ITU has no documents related to "pink phones". Internet content regulation would appear to me to be a typical "national matter". National governments already make laws concerning Internet content and national courts have not hesitated to enforce national laws. Any claim that ITU might become involved in those areas does not match my knowledge of ITU.

    Esther is also quoted as stating:

    "The ITU will be successfully lobbied by trademark interests and, if it follows the US, trademark interests will impose much more restrictive rules than ICANN’s dispute-resolution policy"

    ITU does not get involved in matters related to intellecutal property, which are handled by a different international treaty organization, the World Intellectual Property Organization(WIPO). WIPO was instrumental in the preparation of the Uniform Dispute Resolution Policy (UDRP) that was adopted by ICANN.

    Esther is also quoted as saying:

    "[If ITU is involved] There will be very, very little progress in anything."

    If this were true, growth of the Internet would be in trouble in any case, because most of the base standards for the infrastructure on which the Internet runs (including modems and leased lines) are ITU-T Recommendations.

    If the ITU-T really were incapable of favoring innovation, it would no longer exist. But membership by private companies is actually growing, so I believe that ITU-T is adding value, in particular by facilitating adoption of new technologies.

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    Re: OpenDemocracy Interviews Esther Dyson
    by fnord (reversethis-{moc.oohay} {ta} {k2yorg}) on Friday August 16 2002, @01:52AM (#8530)
    User #2810 Info
    Esther Dyson allegedly said:
    This makes me unpopular with those who want more direct elections immediately. At the same time it makes me unpopular with the ICANN Board...
    Alternatively, such unpopularity could be put down to an inborn trait in humanity which is just naturally repulsed by airheads behaving badly. -g
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    Re: Dyson No Longer Relevant
    by Anonymous on Friday August 16 2002, @02:52AM (#8534)
    Man, she is absolutely worthless. Her answers to questions follow prevailing winds.

    What a worthless woman, probably not even good for ... you know ...
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    Re: Sucker's Bet
    by Anonymous on Friday August 16 2002, @05:58AM (#8546)
    Giving Dyson credence now gives blessings to the mess she made while chairperson of ICANN's BoD. She f-cked up, bigtime, and it is baffling how and why others come to the conclusion she's a healthy part of the process. Dyson oversaw seriously flawed decisions, especially back in 2000, and was never held accountable for those decisions.

    To treat her with respect and trust is a sucker's bet.
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    Re: OpenDemocracy Interviews Esther Dyson
    by RFassett on Friday August 16 2002, @08:19AM (#8556)
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    Dear Esther:

    Slightly off topic, but if you are at all paying attention here, can you please confirm a report from those in attendence at Bucharest that you really said something to the affect that "not all governments believe in Democracy" as justification for the At-Large to back off on its quest for public elections of Board Members? And, if so, can you explain this rationale for those of us that were not able to attend the meeting in person?
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