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    Re: Roberts Redivivus
    by Anonymous on Wednesday February 20 2002, @04:34AM (#4977)
    I hate Roberts, but he's right about one thing: If the At-Large Membership wants to play in the field, they should pony up a few bucks like everyone else. And everyone else DOES pony up bucks. The At-Large membership can't have it both ways (participate and not pay anything).

    Look, speculators and "sophisticated users" need a voice within ICANN. We all know speculators account for at least 30% of new domain sales, which keeps the engines of Verisign, Afilias, Neulevel, and ICANN running. Not to mention a few million dollars speculators have injected into IOD and New.net.

    If we read UDRP/WIPO decisions, we see that if you are considered a "sophisticated user", you are frowned upon, and are more likely to lose your dispute if you have a history of stocking up on nice domain names. Well, that's a bunch of bullshit, and it's about time some of the huge money spent by speculators went to support a legal team or organization bent on securing rights for those individuals who want to invest, sell, trade, and speculate in domains. A good number of ICANN-accredited registrars have outed themselves as little more than speculators, as evidenced by the .INFO/.BIZ rollouts. The difference is, they contribute to the ICANN engine, in an organized fashion.

    The At-Large can become the vehicle for speculators and "sophisticated users" to stop UDRP/WIPO and ICANN abuses, not to mention suing the shit out of Verisign and other thieving registrars until they get their customer service acts together.

    The everyday, normal, regular person or company owning one or two domains to support their business or website probably doesn't give a tinker's damn about ICANN, Afilias, At-Large membership, etc., as long as no one is infringing on their trademark.
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    Re: Roberts Redivivus
    by joppenheimer on Wednesday February 20 2002, @05:33AM (#4978)
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    If the At-Large Membership wants to play in the field, they should pony up a few bucks like everyone else. And everyone else DOES pony up bucks.

    **********

    Really? What do members of other SO's pay - to the SO and/or ICANN - to be a member? Do their members pay to have a vote? Do the SO's pay ICANN to have representation?

    (I'm a DNSO GA member and am pretty sure I paid neither to join nor vote. I cannot find anything in ICANN's financials to reflect SO revenue, nor any membership fees noted on any of the SO websites. Did I miss something?)
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    Re: Speculators....
    by Anonymous on Wednesday February 20 2002, @09:57AM (#4981)
    If your comment was an attempt to get The Speculators of the World to Unite, then I think you will fuel the fire to keep speculators out of ICANN governance. Speculators have known for a long, long time that they engage in cybersquatting. Now there is significant precedent in the courts and UDRP decisions to keep speculators from holding onto domain names that they have no rights or legitimate uses in. "Sophisticated users" should know better, and that is what the UDRP decisions have been saying. Getting a voice within ICANN is not going to legitimize the speculator "industry".
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