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    Re: Time to Organize
    by fnord (groy2kNO@SPAMyahoo.com) on Wednesday October 02 2002, @01:35PM (#9502)
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    Tall Paul doesn't seem a fan of ICANN either. Given that so many clued folks, some of them referenced in your excellent paper, many with longstanding histories in relevant areas, most with well deserved respect amongst their peers, don't much care for the status quo, that is, the centralized planning and regulation model of ICANN (made up in perhaps too large a part by clueless newcomers), I have to ask why it cannot simply be redone without them. Set up an alternative, perhaps farming back some responsibilities to those who did them previously and adequately.

    Is it a lack of knowledge or skill? Extremely doubtful. Is it a lack of will? If so, why wait a year for ICANN to again come up with excuses as to why it has made little progress (they'll blame too much process, whilst creating ever more intricate and inscrutable structures and functions), at which point an alternative will be needed, but Just In Time seems a bad way to do it. Is it a lack of funds? If so, initially charge $5 wholesale per *.gTLD, by your figures that would provide >$2 per sLD and still undercut ICANN. Or is it something else? If so, please advise. Given that so-many integral parts of ICANN are now so unimpressed with what we have, what is saying it cannot simply be duplicated with the dysfunctional (and probably unnecessary) parts not replaced (or if dysfunctional but necessary, swapped out)? If it is just for want of USG's blessing, well frankly, so what? If they're not part of the solution...

    Now I know some folks have advocated such an approach for some time without much headway, but things are clearly going from bad to worse. At some point it may reach critical mass. Hopefully the Time to Organize headline on this article isn't just a pun. -g

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    Re: Time to Organize
    by fnord (groy2kNO@SPAMyahoo.com) on Thursday October 03 2002, @07:21AM (#9528)
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    Anon writes:
    ...you set out a plan. None of this whining drivel ending in 'so who wants to lead.'
    The DNS, and most of the rest of the standards, protocols, and practices that make the internet tick merrily along, weren't planned in any central sense (and ICANN's central planning adds nothing to that mix, it detracts from it). There were no leaders, except in the sense that it was a meritocracy. Someone saw a problem and came up with a solution or thought of a new service and went ahead and tried it, usually sharing it via RFCs, a peer review as it were, to ensure what Randy Bush famously and accurately called rough consensus and running code. It was collaborative, that is, it was distributed. Having a defined and ongoing leadership is just a single point of failure, and one needs no better example of that than ICANN.
    I just wish that the "Usual Suspects" posting on ICANNWatch would at times lay out clear objectives and then follow through.
    I can't speak for any other suspects here, ICANNWatch is also a distributed model. I'd like to think I have pointed out a few problems and proposed some solutions and have even suggested some new services in my time here. In the current instance I'm just pointing out some problems and suggesting some possible solutions (which could also lead to new services). If anyone wants to take it up and run with it, fine. If not, fine. I may have the will to do so but I don't solely have the knowledge, skill, or funding necessary to do so. There is no rule saying that the person pointing out the problem needs to come up with the solution (and that isn't normally the case), and neither of those persons is necessarily a 'leader'. Indeed, it is those using old-world thinking and either wanting to be leaders or wanting to be followers who add nothing to the mix. I see ICANN as a general problem, so do many others. I use my own solutions so that ICANN doesn't cause me major problems. From time to time I mention some of them. Others are free to do the same in their own way, and some do. To the extent that some few things do need a central repository and if one believes that that shouldn't be ICANN, then yes, there could be someone leading in that regard. If it is to return to a meritocracy, it won't be me. -g
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