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    Re: Who speaks for .org registrants?
    by Mueller ({mueller} {at} {syr.edu}) on Monday August 26 2002, @08:58AM (#8714)
    User #2901 Info | http://istweb.syr.edu/~mueller/
    Bret:
    The evaluation team's report made some very specific arguments as to why it has doubts about the validation proposal.

    It's disappointing that your post here, and DotOrg in general, has chosen to attack the team rather than answer those arguments. If the report can be shown to be erroneous in some way, it is not too late to change it.

    Let's try one more time. DotOrg proposes to sell "buttons" to .org registrants that say "I am a validated nonprofit" for display on their web site. The NCDNHC report points out that DotOrg could sell these buttons now, or at any time in the future, regardless of who is operating the registry of .org. There is no reason to link that service to control of the registry --UNLESS there is some intent to use validation as a basis for restricting entry into the domain.

    Can you tell me what is false about that argument?

    --M
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    Re: Who speaks for .org registrants? by Mueller
    Re: Who speaks for .org registrants?
    by lextext on Monday August 26 2002, @09:22AM (#8715)
    User #6 Info | http://www.lextext.com
    Milton,

    I'm not speaking here for the DotOrg Foundation. My personal complaint with the argument you're making above is that it doesn't take the Foundation at its word, but instead supposes a hidden motive (the desire to restrict .org in the future) and then criticizes the proposal on that basis. The DotOrg Foundation expressly says that it does not seek to restrict entry into the .org TLD. You can rest assured that if DotOrg Foundation were indeed awarded the contract, ICANN would insist on a provision in the accreditation agreement holding it to that promise.

    It's certainly true that anyone can offer any set of services outside the operation of a registry. You'll recall that the ICANN Board used this same argument against the approval of new TLDs in 2000. (Why do you need .geo when you can offer the same services under *.geo.com?) Where I feel you and the evaluation team erred though was in discounting DotOrg Foundation's suggestion that it was trying to solve a real world problem experienced by many non-commercial organizations and, instead, crediting some hidden motive that was in fact expressly disclaimed in the application.

    The fact that the evaluation team didn't recognize that this was a real problem to be solved -- and instead looked to another motive -- may well be because the evaluation team was not sufficiently reflective of the .org community.

    -- Bret
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