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    Having a cake, calling it a lobster and eating it
    by Kieren McCarthy on Saturday March 31 2007, @02:31PM (#16919)
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    I don't get this. For years you - and everyone else, including me - has been complaining that the ALAC has been powerless in its interim status.

    So then Africa and Europe organise themselves into lobbying groups, ALAC gets some legitimacy and you loosely weave a step forward into another unexplained conspiracy.

    What exactly is the issue here? I saw on stage alot of people in the Net community decide to work together to give a single voice to the average Net user within ICANN - finally creating a structure that has to be taken more seriously -- and yet you portray it as somehow a damaging thing.

    The ALAC has to represent, ideally, millions of people. How on earth do millions of voices have an impact unless through a series of filtering organisations?

    It's up to the ALAC to suck up the information, arrive at a conclusion and then stand up and tell ICANN that it represents the opinion of all the people out there on the network.

    I hope - and I'll do my absolute best to ensure it happens - that the ALAC is up to the job and that its advice is taken as seriously as the other advisory committees.

    The only people being fools here are those that don't sign up and push, push, push to have their view taken on board.

    If the ALAC can build up, make a solid recommendation and then see itself ignored, well then you are right to make a stink. But to leap off into dismissing a crystal-clear step in that process is ridiculous.

    What is the particular fantasy you hold that will suddenly see the average Net user have a say in ICANN's processes?

    The more people that are involved, the more powerful ALAC is. Without those numbers, it's just a couple of people in a room arguing. And that, as we all know, has got nowhere.

    Kieren
    General manager of public participation, ICANN

    If you want to know the answer btw it is: get as many people involved as possible. I am happy to do all I can to help.
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    Re:Having a cake, calling it a lobster and eating
    by michael (froomkin@lawUNSPAM.tm) on Saturday March 31 2007, @02:57PM (#16921)
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    False. Simply false. I have never complained that the ALAC is powerless due its interim status.

    I have complained that it is designed to be powerless by insulating end users from selecting board members.

    NOT at all the same thing.

    I also note that the supposed cheerleader for input is calling us fools. Abuse people: That should really encourage them to participate.

    I don't have any private fantasy about public participation in ICANN. The Board doesn't want it. The CEO abhors it. There won't be any unless it's so mediated as to be denatured. (I don't in fact consider the ALAC to be much in the way of *Public* participation.)

    Power in ICANN comes from the ability to select people who are in the room when the Board meets secretly. There is little other power that matters except the power to sue ICANN and the power to write it checks. That is what ICANN means when it says "stakeholder" and that is all that counts.

    Huge numbers of volunteer hours have gone into participating in ICANN exercises only to be ignored.

    Example: the original draft of the UDRP drafted by bottom-up processes was replaced by the registrars' draft.

    Example: the Board promised a review of the UDRP, due to take place several years ago. We labored on the committee. Then the chair vanished, and the Board ignored the input from the committee.

    Example: extensive consultations were undertaken about how to fix ICANN's membership structures. These were ignored and the current structure imposed instead.

    All of these are documented in ICANNWAtch's archives.

    You can shout all you like, but we've lived it from Day One, and have extensive documentation to prove it.
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