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    Kudos to Steve Metalitz
    by GeorgeK on Thursday February 05 2004, @07:47PM (#12932)
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    Great work, getting the WHOIS accuracy issue in the spotlight. We've seen this issue debated on mailing lists for ages, and I'm happy to see things go this way. It encourages responsible behaviour having the ownership data in plain view.

    If someone valued their "privacy" at infinity, they can and should rationally spend the extra $4 or so for a "Domains by Proxy" type solution that GoDaddy and others offer. Someone who doesn't want to go for that solution is telling the world that they value their privacy at below $4, and thus can't argue in good faith that it's a major issue to them. Having anonymous/fake WHOIS shifts the legal burdens and costs to victims, and away from the abusers.

    If the benefits of private/anonymous registrations are so enormous, reducing those benefits by $4 won't hurt the registrants overall.
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    Re:Kudos to Steve Metalitz
    by fnord (groy2kNO@SPAMyahoo.com) on Thursday February 05 2004, @09:12PM (#12933)
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    Sorry George, you're in Canada (apparently) and so am I, so we're governed by our own Privacy act. According to our Charter of Rights and Freedoms privacy is a right. It is not a right if I have to pay for it, even $4 (even $4 CDN, about $3 USD) certainly not to some lamer ICANN accredited registrar or their reseller, which is just a shill game extortion racket if you haven't been paying attention.

    I've said it before but it's been awhile so I'll say it again. I do security for one of the busiest (we've had over 1 million unique hits in a month) anti-hate groups (read for the most part anti-white power anti-neo-nazi) sites on the net and of course we can afford $4 CDN and our WHOIS points to one of Canada's most celebrated lawyers who may well cost us many times that (it's not my department and for all I know he's doing it pro bono, thinking about it that is probably the case). My respect for your viewpoint, which is (or was) considerable, has just gone through the floor.

    The principal movers on the site move on a regular basis as they've been firebombed (a tricked out Datsun 510, most of the work by yours truly, turned into a smoking hole in the ground, luckily we made out like bandits with ICBC), accosted on the street by numerous skinheads intent on mayhem, luckily the RCMP (trademark perhaps still owned by Disney Corp) were driving by and we survived, have been letterbombed into the stoneage on numerous occasions (we don't open them so luckily we're not proof of spontaneous combustion), and luckily they're so unclued that they don't know how to pingflood a site. And so on.

    So let me get this right. I should publish accurate WHOIS information so that these nutbars can come and make our knees bend backwards (at the very least) in one of the most peaceful countries in the world (YMMV), or I should pay you, and ultimately ICANN, protection money. Charming. As near as I can tell you're close to the Great Lakes, why don't you swim across the nearest one to the land of the free where I'm sure you'll feel at home and brave. -g

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    Re:Kudos to Steve Metalitz
    by KarlAuerbach on Friday February 06 2004, @09:15PM (#12949)
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    I find your argument to be saying that I have to pay for my rights. What's next, I have to pay muggers not to be mugged? I believe we call that a "protection racket".

    How about turning it the other way around? If somebody wants my personal information, they should tell me why, ask my permission, and pay me (I get to set the price.)

    It is my information, not theirs. Forcing me to publish my valuable personal information is a kind of gang theft.
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    Re:Kudos to Steve Metalitz
    by Mueller ({mueller} {at} {syr.edu}) on Saturday February 07 2004, @06:31PM (#12953)
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    • Your point? by GeorgeK Sunday February 08 2004, @04:21PM


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