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    erformance Anxiety
    by fnord (groy2kNO@SPAMyahoo.com) on Thursday July 10 2003, @02:25PM (#11918)
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    Peter, if you're going to make a statement that .web would and will vastly outperform .biz and .info, could you please provide at least one fact or figure or even a semi-cogent chain of reasoning that would support your statement?

    As C. Ambler has recently posted here perhaps he can refresh my memory, but it seems to me that ICANN made it very clear prior to, and at, MdR2k that no applicant could hope to be successful who didn't have some sort of TM/IP protection like Sunrise in place, and I believe C. Ambler did state that they would do so. This could well have meant that IOD would have been beset by similar problems at startup (and perhaps not handled them any better).

    I stand by my statement that there seems little want or need for more open undifferentiated TLDs. Sure there may be potential registries willing to gamble that they can make money but that alone is no reason to add TLDs. As the article clearly shows, most of the .info registrations are either cybersquatters, speculators, or defensive registrations. If .info disappeared tomorrow it would be little missed by almost everyone, the main, indeed, almost the only reason for it to exist is to make money for the registry, registrars, and hence an ever-growing ICANN. It is a protection racket along the lines of pay us a protection fee or someone will smash up your business. In this case it is pay us for your good name or we will sell it to someone else to besmirch it, and then we will charge you much more to get it back. I remain surprised that the IP folks are any more impressed with ICANN than the rest of us, they're the ones being shaken down.

    Well, now there's less cybersquatters and speculators out there, and even the IP folks are grabbing a clue and defensively registering less names. I don't think .web would have been (or could be) much different than .info. The DNS was designed for other reasons than to be a cash cow, so it is no wonder that when it is primarily used for that purpose the wheels always fall off.

    This isn't to be taken as a personal attack on C. Ambler, whom I respect and trust more than most in the ICANN milieu. I've always said that, given the unique history of IOD's web, they should be granfathered in, and still believe so. That shouldn't be taken to mean I think they'd be any more successful than (or vastly outperform, whatever that means) .info and .biz. -g

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    erformance Anxiety by fnord
    Re:erformance Anxiety
    by cambler (chris@ambler.net) on Thursday July 10 2003, @03:02PM (#11921)
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    Well, let me answer you, since I was the one doing the talking - though if I miss something, I'm sure someone else will point it out :-)

    ICANN's assertion that no applicant could be successful without IP protection seems to me to have been a statement that without IP protection, ICANN wouldn't approve that applicant (not that they wouldn't be successful in business). That is, at best, opinion, and at worst, ICANN throwing down yet another hoop to jump through.

    With that said, however, we had no sunrise provision. What we did have was a very clear statement that we'd abide by the UDRP, and that we'd give trademark holders a period during which we wouldn't allow any new registrations in .Web, and would freeze the database so that they could inspect it and file UDRP challenges on existing names.

    We also proposed to offer current registrants, who may have registered a name before the whole IP issue came up, the opportunity to exchange any name for any other available name. In other words, an opportunity for a .Web domain holder to divest themself of the name if they felt that it infringed upon a trademark, and not have to just abandon their registration fee.

    Between the two, we felt that this addressed the issue without having to resort to a sunrise that could be full of problems, as it turned out sunrises were.

    It is to note that we met with the IP folk at the time, and they gave us their endorsement. You remember that endorsement / no endorsement paper that they circulated at the time?

    Now, as far as whether .Web will do well in today's market, well, I would say that I'd be the one to be worrying about that (along with the rest of the IOD partners). It's a business risk for us. But it's not a stability risk, nor any other kind of risk for ICANN or the Internet as a whole. If we fail, we fail. We surely can't do any worse than some other TLDs that have been introduced.

    Isn't that what introducing competition for .Com is supposed to be about?

    Christopher

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