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    Re: Full of it
    by GeorgeK on Friday June 20 2003, @06:45AM (#11828)
    User #3191 Info | http://www.kirikos.com/
    Wrong again, Verisign shill. Take a look at GoDaddy's website, for example, and see that it offers an affordable fixed-rate plan for going after expired names. Other registrars offer consumers different choices, such as pay for success. The big "scam" of WLS is that a huge proportion of the slots will never ripen into the consumer's desired names -- yet Verisign still gets to keep the money.

    WLS in the public interest? Only if you define "public" as "Verisign shareholders". Ask Verisign whether they want anyone else, e.g. me, to run it, instead of themselves.
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    Re: Full of it by GeorgeK
    Re: Full of it
    by RFassett on Friday June 20 2003, @08:58AM (#11831)
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    "...that a huge proportion of the slots will never ripen into the consumer's desired names -- yet Verisign still gets to keep the money."

    ok...so say the registrars agree to pay VGRS $30 per deleted domain registration. Any com/net domain re-registered within 5 minutes (5 seconds?) is defined as a deleted domain by the registry and registrars through a private, opt-in contract. WLS goes away....lawyers go away..."competition" (for sake of a better term) remains for those retailers that choose to pursue this market.

    A private business deal between supplier and retailers that does not need to drain limited ICANN resources any further than it already has...or that of US lawmakers.

    And why is it deemed justifiable for US tax dollars (such as mine) being used to protect the business interests of 2 non-US entities of the Domain Justice Coalition? I would say "Verisign shareholders" (of which I am not) would have better standing....just a thought.

    ICANN has made their "ruling"...I see nothing stopping the private parties from now negotiating a private business agreement...Why is ICANN even in the middle of this, is the bigger question to me. It seems everybody wants DNS to be shielded from (US) government regulatory action except when something does not go their way...just cut a private deal with the supplier and be done...but that's a problem because the retailers want the supplier to be held to their (regulatory) price cap - regardless of the nature of the transaction - and the supplier has found a way around this in a niche market place of domains deemed coveted (of value)....and that's really what this is all about, right?

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    Re: Full of it
    by fnord (groy2kNO@SPAMyahoo.com) on Saturday June 21 2003, @09:31AM (#11840)
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    Ya, GoDaddy is real swell. I've tried to renew a couple of domain names I registered with them just over a year ago. Their site won't accept my password. When I try to get my password mailed to me (I'm the only WHOIS contact) it says I don't have one. I get on the phone to them (twice) and they tell me that they can't tell what my password is. So I figured WTF I'll wait until they drop them and then re-register them, with a different registrar of course. Neither site gets, nor is intended to get, much traffic, so the expiring name grabbers (read mostly pr0n and gambling sites, ICANN et al look right at home as their agent) won't bother to snag them. BZZZZT, wrong. GoDaddy holds the names "for my protection", don't you know. And instead of me paying approx. $9 to renew each of them I get first chance to retreive them at $90 each. I haven't tried moving them to a different registrar yet, no doubt that will be thwarted somehow as well.

    Seems to me there is a built in incentive here for registrars to make it difficult to renew a domain name as they will make more money (EG: 1000%) if they can later resell it to the prior owner, or someone, anyone, else. This is true whether it is the Po$$e or Veri$ign. I say a pox on both their houses. I see no good reason why expiring names aren't just put offlimits, no-one gets them except the prior owner, and that at a reasonable price, and pr0n sites and cool domain name collectors be damned. -g

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