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    by BenEdelman on Saturday February 01 2003, @07:24AM (#11070)
    User #3219 Info | http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/edelman
    I'm not prepared to discuss the specific details of my methodology. After all, my methodology is relatively unusual and, I'd like to think, innovative.

    That said, I'll do my best to answer your questions --

    My methods don't rely on any list filed with a court. See, for example, my "Tina's Free Live Webcam" research [harvard.edu] (May 2002) in which I documented 4000+ domains registered to Tina (aka Domain Strategy), though no court case had or has been filed against them (so far as I know).

    I also don't use any expensive software.

    I do use my own custom software -- scripts cobbled together over a period of some years -- as well as a number of publicly-available data sources.

    I don't know what "crawled the server" means -- I know what it means to crawl a web site, extracting and preserving each page on the site, but I'm not clear on what it means to do that to a server, irrespective of protocol, and also don't understand how that would yield a list of all domains registered to a given registrant.

    I'm not working with the FTC, and they didn't supply me with any information or any list whatsoever. In fact, I've never seen whatever list the FTC filed with the court, and I don't know how to get it (short of going to the court and paying the court clerk for a photocopy of that portion of the record, assuming it's not under seal).

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    Methodology by BenEdelman
    by strandanzug on Saturday February 01 2003, @12:56PM (#11073)
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    Your statements, for someone who has done the amount of research on internet behavior as you, strike me as a bit affected naivety.

    Your claim, "I don't know what "crawled the server" means," I find a little hard to believe as you next say, "I know what it means to crawl a web site."

    For someone who writes to the extent you do I am surprised that you appear to be claiming you can not make the small leap in understanding the phrase "crawled the server" when you understand what it means to "crawl a web site."

    Yes, it means exactly the same thing. In fact if you have crawled a web site, you have at the same time crawled a server, since all web sites are on servers.

    So this comes as a surprise to you.

    So are you saying then that you have or have not crawled the server of John Zuccarini.

    I believe crawling a server is the only way you could have acquired a list of domain names owned by John Zuccarini.

    You state that you use "scripts cobbled together over a period of some years."

    I don't know any useful software that consists of bits and pieces of code gathered together over an extended period of time.

    You also claim to use as a source for John Zuccarini's domain list, "publicly-available data sources."

    I don't know of any such "data sources" available that list all of the domains owned by individuals.
    I believe I am as familiar as anybody with the exsistance of any such sources.

    There is also no doubt the ftc obtained a list of domain names owned by John Zuccarini by crawling his server.

    I believe it can be proven in court, in the Netherlands were John Zuccarini's server is located.

    Did the ftc break any laws of the Netherlands in crawling the server of John Zuccarini. I believe they did and I would urge John Zuccarini to file a lawsuit in the Netherlands against the ftc and see were it leads.

    If the ftc broke any laws in crawling a server, then you did also.
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    by michael (froomkin@lawUNSPAM.tm) on Saturday February 01 2003, @06:48PM (#11075)
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    I'm not prepared to discuss the specific details of my methodology. After all, my methodology is relatively unusual and, I'd like to think, innovative.

    I find this statement odd and potentially disturbing. The essence of science is reproducibility. A good scientist would normally disclose his methods. To be unwilling to do so must inevitably call the results into question. We shouldn't be asked to take science -- or even social science -- on faith.

    Ben, talk to a professor you respect at Harvard who publishes original empirical work and ask him/her about this. I think you'll see why this isn't a very good approach to take. If for some odd reason there is some sort of proprietary or trade secret aspect to the methodology, you should at least explain why that is, and (should the results ever be challenged) offer some neutral party the opportunity to audit it.

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    • Re:Methodology by Seth_Finkelstein Monday February 10 2003, @02:46PM
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