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    Re: Congratulations on good comments and ignore th
    by rachelmacgregor on Monday December 23 2002, @12:14PM (#10671)
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    You have presented a fairly-reasoned argument and I agree with principles you put forward. If the word "apple" is a Trademark 35 times over in 35 different countries, then what the fuck gives ONE of those trademark holders the right to hi-jack the domain? And if someone else wants to write a website about eating apples, using the word "apple" in the domain name to draw attention logically to their subject, why the hell shouldn't they have the freedom to use their own language.

    All these problems might be eased if, as you have proposed previously Gerry, a TLD specifically for Trademarks (like .REG) was introduced. Then people would know that that was where you went for Trademarked/official websites. For the rest of the Internet, it should be open to all (providing they do not use names in bad faith) and names should NOT be reserved for Big Business.

    Now... some people may have intelligent alternative proposals or may not fully agree with yours...

    But how fucking disappointing that what we see in this thread is people not able to argue with you logically about your points and using the tactics of the gutter instead. Alas! They marginalise themselves! A lot of intelligent people read the posts on this valuable website, and the abuse directed against your points just about speaks for itself.

    I also object to the racism, that because you are a Brit, that in some way makes you more of a kook.

    Not a kook at all... good points... and on this website you have the freedom to express them. Of course, REAL kooks have the freedom to express themselves as well, but look at the actual content and decide for yourself who at least deserves a respectful and thoughtful response.

    ICANNwatch deserves thoughtful input like yours. It is only demeaned by brainless abuse with zero content and racist slurs.

    Rachel Macgregor
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    Re: Congratulations on good comments and ignore th by rachelmacgregor
    Thank you Rachel
    by WIPOorgUK on Monday December 23 2002, @01:46PM (#10677)
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    > why the hell shouldn't they have the freedom to use their own language.

    Exactly - it is our language - what blinking right have WIPO and ICANN to stop us using it?

    They piss on the First Amendment with UDRP and Sunrise.

    Vint Cerf says, "The Internet is for Everyone" -twelve times on http://www.isoc.lu/everyone.html

    It seems clear he no longer feels that way - since working for WorldCom I believe he has sold out. He and ICANN gave the DNS to the corporations.

    Given the evidence - I believe they are all a bunch of crooks.
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    You give disinformation and lies
    by WIPOorgUK on Tuesday December 24 2002, @03:39AM (#10684)
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    > TM owners do not want .reg just like they don't want any more new TLDs (unless they are restricted like .museum and .aero).

    Why should trademark holders have to buy and protect domains in every TLD?

    They do not own the trademark in EVERY CLASSIFICATION and EVERY COUNTRY - do they?

    > Why spend more money registering domains in .reg when people really don't want to register names in .biz, .info, .us, etc.

    Read feeble excuses link on my website - COST TO TRADEMARK:

    It is minimal, a few dollars, they used to give domains away. The reason why they cost even as much as they do, is profit margin. Why not one off payment, like driving licence? Or, as trademarks are rarely transferred, pay on change of owner.

    > The UDRP was designed to deal with cases of true cybersquatting. Unfortunately, there have been a few complainants who have screwed up the process by reaching too far - crew.com, heel.com, barcelona.com, plus a few others. But on the whole, the policy works well.

    Bull* - most cases do not reach this far - for one reason only - because the domain owner has given it up - being frightened off by lawyers and threats of 100,000 dollar fines.

    > Gerry's plan just isn't worth it. And it doesn't solve the problem, it just adds another tld that people have to fight over.

    Bull* - there is no need to fight - trademark conflict is not allowed - else trademark is invalid.

    It doe solve problem - because it uniquely identifies the trademark holder - one does not have priority over another - trademarks are unable to prevent small business from using their name.

    Why do you try so hard to divert attention away from the facts?

    Are you a corrupt lawyer - perverting Trademark and Competition Law on the Internet - to make loads of money from these problems?

    Just try to deny this - go on I dare you:

    Fact: In this vast ocean of domains on the Internet, mostly non-trademarks, a marker is absolutely essential - for people to identify the domain as trademark.

    Given virtually all words are registered trademarks many times over - how else are people to know?
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    Re: Congratulations on good comments and ignore th
    by dtobias (dan@tobias.name) on Tuesday December 24 2002, @03:56AM (#10686)
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    Since when should "what TM owners want" automatically be law or policy? They're just one of many different groups with an interest of some sort in domain name policy; their word should be listened to along with all the others, but shouldn't automatically win every time. "You can't always get what you want."
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    Re: Congratulations on good comments and ignore th
    by dtobias (dan@tobias.name) on Tuesday December 24 2002, @06:55AM (#10691)
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    So, then, the question comes down to whether it's more important to stop the cybersquatters or to avoid harming innocent parties whose claims happen to conflict.

    Just like with the old saw, "It's better for 10 criminals to go free than for one innocent person to go to jail," there's a legitimate argument to say "It's better to let 10 cybersquatters stay on the net than to take away 1 legitimately-used domain name."

    To me, cybersquatters are a silly annoyance; I wish they'd go away, but am afraid of the baby getting tossed out with the bathwater when a system is set up to "catch" them.
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    legitimate rights & cowardice of critics
    by WIPOorgUK on Tuesday December 24 2002, @01:08PM (#10696)
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    Everybody has legitimate rights to use ANY words for ANY legal purpose they wish - true or false?

    Going further - into specifics:

    You can legally use any word, words or initials to start a new business without registering a trademark - providing you are not passing off, of course. Take for example the word 'apple'. It is legally used by thousands of businesses - large and small all over the world. Indeed, it is impossible that they all register themselves as trademarks - they are bound to conflict with many others, being confusingly similar. In my local phone book alone, there are at least five using this word - two garages (seems not connected), a car centre, fruit growers and a decorating firm.

    UDRP was introduced on the back of a LIE - that trademarks could not be uniquely identified on the Internet.


    With solution in place - which one would you think is the Apple Computer trademark?

    Come on - tell us why did UN WIPO tell this LIE?

    You are not a coward are you?

    Or do you deny the evidence in front of your face.
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