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    Country-Code Top Level Domains (ccTLDs) IANA
    .nu Swept Away?
    posted by michael on Monday January 12 2004, @05:47PM

    Spotted at Slashdot:
    "The world's first free national wireless grid is no longer with us, after waves from Cyclone Heta swept over Niue's thirty metre cliffs, destroying everything. Although only one person died, the damage is so bad that there is talk of winding up the country , meaning their fortuitous ccTLD could go the way of .su."
    Certainly not the most significant aspect of this disaster, but a curious question that comes up from time to time: What determines whether a ccTLD outlives a country?



    A comment suggests that the ccTLD just continues,
    Lots of places that aren't formally independent countries have ccTLDs. A very incomplete list to give some examples:

    • .as - American Samoa
    • .bv - Bouvet Island
    • .fk - Falkland Islands
    • .gf - French Guiana
    • .gg - Guernsey
    • .io - British Indian Ocean Territory
    • .pf - French Polynesia
    • .pr - Puerto Rico
    • .tc - Turks and Caicos Islands
    • .um - US Minor Outlying Islands
    • .vg - Virgin Islands (British)
    • .vi - Virgin Islands (USA)

    Even if New Zealand assumes soverign control, Niue will probably retain its ccTLD.

    Personally I think that the 'stability of the Internet' argues strongly for NOT deleting TLDs if it can be avoided. And I see that .su is accepting registrations again....

     
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    My Take
    by dmehus on Monday January 12 2004, @09:46PM (#12831)
    User #3626 Info | http://doug.mehus.info/
    In the event a country is dissolved or fails to exist, I believe its database of registered domain names should be transferred to the IANA, in which case IANA would manage the ccTLD's root servers and allow domain name owners to modify their domain names (contact information, nameservers, etc.) through an IANA web-based interface. However, no new registrations should be accepted.

    As for the length IANA should continue managing a ccTLD remains to be seen, but I would say at least two years and not more than three or four. That gives domain name owners more than adequate time to register a new domain name in another TLD, set up Web hosting for it, transfer their site over, forward users to it from the former address, and have their search engine links all re-indexed. After the two or three years, IANA would serve domain name owners a final 90-day notice, a 60-day notice, and a 30-day notice, and then remove the ccTLD from the root. Therefore, there can be absolutely no complaints. :)

    In terms of running the ccTLD indefinitely, that seems unfair and undemocratic to the rest of us.

    Cheers,
    Doug
    Doug Mehus http://doug.mehus.info/ [mehus.info]
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    Stability not an issue
    by dmehus on Monday January 12 2004, @09:51PM (#12832)
    User #3626 Info | http://doug.mehus.info/
    If the fundamental principles of my prior comment are adhered to for removing ccTLDs from the root (and obviously, they would be fine-tuned to ensure it is beneficial for everybody), stability is not an issue. There would be several years that a ccTLD would be under IANA management and would allow domain name owners ample time to transition their Web sites to a new Web presence.

    Some more thoughts,
    Doug

    P.S. Your "soverign" word is missing an "e". A typo that I spotted which you may want to correct. :)
    Doug Mehus http://doug.mehus.info/ [mehus.info]
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    non-cc ccTLDs
    by yojimbo on Wednesday January 14 2004, @01:39PM (#12850)
    User #3928 Info
    You mentioned .gg for Guernsey, but neglected .je for Jersey (These are the Channel Islands, separate British Crown Dependanices with self-government)

    These codes were taken from (iirc) international postal codes, because these countries do not have an iso assigned code - the relevant government departments have been trying to get an iso code, but it's a multi-year process.

    Jon Postel agreed to create these zones, but didn't update any policy document to allow other countries in the same situation to use a similar method. My arguments at the time were that these countries should belong to .gb, as their correct legal status placed them in "Great Britain", but not in "United Kingdom".

    However, the existing registrars had made their arguments directly to JP, and ignored the countries governments and Internet users. In their favour, however, I understand that they have managed the domains responsibly.
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    Re:why should domain owners go away?
    by Undecided on Tuesday January 13 2004, @07:39PM (#12843)
    User #3285 Info
    There is a reason: The ccTLD list is based on the ISO abbreviations list, and the ISO recycles old abbreviations. If the two lists aren't kept in sync, there will a conflict at some point. IANA doesn't want to deal with two countries arguing about who gets to be "nu" (for example).

    IANA has deleted ccTLDs before (most recently, .zr, when Zaire became the Democratic Republic of Congo and requested a new abbreviation from the ISO). They let ISO make the political decisions for them because it's easier. (IANA doesn't want to be involved in constant political bickering over who deserves which TLD. Can you blame them?)

    Still, .nu is in no real danger. Even in the New Zealand government takes over, the ISO will leave the abbreviation alone. Niue is geographically isolated enough to rate its own abbreviation.
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