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    The Big Picture ISOC to Bid on .org
    posted by tbyfield on Sunday June 02 2002, @02:23AM

    Jamie Love has forwarded a mail to CPT's "Random-bits" mailing list, from Internet Society (ISOC) President and CEO Lynn St. Amour. In it, St. Amour announces that ISOC is teaming up with Afilias to bid on the .org redelegation.

    This is both legitimate and, as Jamie noted in his mail, predictable. But the thicket of connections between ICANN, ISOC, and Afilias is so topologically dense that ICANN had better hurry up and appoint one of its Upstanding Citizens to its Conflicts of Interest committee Real Soon Now. (We hear they're working on that anyway, since the departure of Phil Davidson from the three-person "committee" leaves Karl Auerbach with way too much power.)

    Alternatively, maybe ICANN should just fess up and fold up that committee, because just about everyone who has anything to do with ICANN (with the possible exception of Andy Müller-Maguhn) has ties to ISOC like Gulliver has ties to Lilliputians. Either way, it's hard to imagine a more incestuous reductio ad nauseam of "industry self-regulation" than ICANN "taking" .org from VeriSign and "giving" it -- along with $5-18 million per year -- to ISOC and Afilias.

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    Great Opportunity? Join ISOC now. It is FREE
    by isquat on Sunday June 02 2002, @04:01AM (#6728)
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    Since I guess this is a done deal, I would like to suggest to all and every reader of ICANNWATCH to join ISOC and do it now. Individual membership is FREE, since a little while.

    Or do individual members have no vote in ISOC? Anyone who has read all the changes in election processes care to elucidate? After 15 minutes I still could not make out.

    Join anyway :-)
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    Re: ISOC to Bid on .org
    by PeterBarron (pebarron@hotmail.com) on Sunday June 02 2002, @05:55AM (#6731)
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    Let's see, Afilias couldn't steal .WEB, and they're making a complete joke out of .INFO, so they see the free $5,000,000 and another cash cow and decide to grab for it?

    I think Afilias's technical abilities, and nothing else, disqualify them immediately. Their registry is a shambles, they sacked their back end provider and haven't done a single thing to repair the problems, they've missed all of their service level guarantees, and haven't lived up to their application or contract with ICANN since the first day of operation.

    If ICANN gives .ORG to Afilias, it would just prove what we already know: ability counts for nothing, it's all about being in the game.

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      Re: ISOC to Bid on .org
      by fnord (groy2kNO@SPAMyahoo.com) on Sunday June 02 2002, @09:51AM (#6743)
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      Well, it is wrong that they sacked their backend provider. Their backend provider sacked them. -g
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        Demonstrated capability?
        by isquat on Sunday June 02 2002, @07:06PM (#6764)
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        Any ccTLD registry with a couple of hundred thousand domains that runs well, can also run .ORG. A database is a database. The rest of the argument is about running the ICANN cartel.
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          Re: Demonstrated capability?
          by fnord (groy2kNO@SPAMyahoo.com) on Sunday June 02 2002, @07:54PM (#6767)
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          Agreed. This idea that one can manage a TLD with 300,000 names, but that the world will suddenly magically go to hell in a handbasket if you try to push it to 10x that is way wonky. Any registry incapable of scaling like that isn't likely to apply. If they do, they won't be accepted, unless the BoD is even more clueless than has already become painfully apparent, or unless the fix is in. -g
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            Re: Demonstrated capability?
            by PeterBarron (pebarron@hotmail.com) on Monday June 03 2002, @07:25AM (#6790)
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            ICANN accepted the word of Afilias, on their application, that they could handle a huge TLD. Afilias has flubbed it from day one.

            Why is this .ORG bid any different?

            If ICANN plays by the same rules, than any incompetant applicant can get in. If they've learned their lesson, than Afilias is excluded.

            But, when all is said and done, this is just an excuse for ICANN to collect a pile of $35,000 checks.

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              Re: Demonstrated capability?
              by fnord (groy2kNO@SPAMyahoo.com) on Monday June 03 2002, @09:33AM (#6791)
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              The .org bid is differet because .org will miss the sunrise problems, which was a major part of Afilias's problems. The bidder will also get $5mill from Verisign so shouldn't have serious cashflow problems, or have to do as many questionable things to bring in revenue. -g
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                Re: Demonstrated capability?
                by PeterBarron (pebarron@hotmail.com) on Monday June 03 2002, @09:51AM (#6792)
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                I'm not taking about any of those issues, although Afilias's terrible record in them should be a clue to even the most dense ICANN choice-maker that there is a problem with Afilias.

                What I'm talking about is the fact that Afilias was down more often than it was up in its first week of operation. They've not met any of their service level guarantees since. They've not implemented anything close to what they promised in their application for .INFO.

                In other words, Afilias is not to be trusted and clearly cannot live up to any promises they make. Let them flounder with .INFO, as you can't put that djinn back in the bottle, but don't make the same mistake twice!

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      Re: Sacked their back-end provider? No--they boug
      by fnord (groy2kNO@SPAMyahoo.com) on Monday June 03 2002, @03:36AM (#6787)
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      I didn't say Afilias sacked their backend provider, I said their backend provider sacked them. I stand by that. As for 'most basic facts', just about everyone else knows that you don't go looking for those in an Afilias press release. From the release:
      “This agreement is a win for both Afilias and Tucows“ said Elliot Noss, CEO of Tucows. “Not only does the acquisition help Afilias with its strategic goals, but it enables Tucows to meet our goal of returning to profitability sooner.”
      To see that without the spin, you can read what I wrote here. Tucows had a two year agreement. They told Afilias they wanted out early because .info wasn't doing as well as anticipated. That is, they were sacked by their backend provider. Afilias then bought Liberty, what else could they do? I imagine there must have been other options, presumably this seemed the best of a bad lot. But to spin this as Afilias acting wisely or proactively is a real stretch. They were forced into it by circumstance. -g
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    Re: ISOC to Bid on .org
    by fnord (groy2kNO@SPAMyahoo.com) on Sunday June 02 2002, @03:48AM (#6727)
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    That's not the point. One point I think ted is making is that if those BoD members with ties to ISOC recuse themselves, there may be trouble achieving quorum. If they don't, who's to watch over them? FWIW, ISOC organization members are listed here. As for conspiracy, mebbe not, but one does not enhance competition much by awarding .org to ISOC/Afilias.

    The link above to Jamie Love's post is malformed, it can be found here. -g, ISOC member #1349877

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    Afilias' good job
    by isquat on Sunday June 02 2002, @07:02PM (#6763)
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    "Afilias has done a good job since the Sunrise ended." Sure, they changed the rules so that they could themselves challenge registrations, after first telling everyone that they were not going to check. And now they are selling 17,000 names again for which they already cashed a 5 year registration fee. Clever, very clever.
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