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    Alternate Roots Greenpeace Wants Its Own Root
    posted by michael on Friday March 08 2002, @02:24PM

    The rhetoric is quite a bit more purple than we're used to even in the DNS Wars, but some of the issues are not entirely unfamiliar. Greenpeace activists are apparently worried that "ICANN/WIPO/WTO" want "to control English under the guidance of primarily English-speaking corporations and English traditions of law" via their leverage over the DNS. And they don't like new.net much either. So they are looking for volunteers to start "a new DNS that respects the real bodily constraint".

    That said, they don't do things by halves, these guys:
    The Dictionary, in whatever language, used to be controlled by the people. Ordinary people in the street would ultimately decide what a word "meant" by using it in a certain way and in some contexts and not others. There have been grand attempts by the Roman Empire and then the Roman Catholic Church to control the Latin language, by the Academie Francaise to control French, by the Chinese Communist Party to control Chinese, and now by ICANN/WIPO/WTO to control English under the guidance of primarily English-speaking corporations and English traditions of law (i.e. "tragedy of the commons"). All have failed in the long run. All have succeeded however in controlling meanings of words in the law and in use to control lethal force. Do you think you cannot be killed for using English in a way that ICANN/WIPO/WTO does not approve of? For say diverting Internet DNS addresses away from their ordained "owners" or "holders" towards something on your own hard drive?

    ... [Greenpeace should not] have to pay blackmail money to "new.net" to control "Greenpeace.inc" or "Greenpeace.ngo" or whatever else those con artists try to hijack. In the long run there must be a new Green DNS that bypasses both "new.net" and ICANN+WIPO. One that respects the real bodily constraints on our existence. One that crushes corporate ownership of words. One that, like any other control of the commons, is under political control, and can be voted out if it fails to represent the real ecological and body balances.

    This is life and death. If you let your language be hijacked, then how can you communicate?

    Even our own Ted Byfield would be hard put to match that.

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    Authorities bastardized words for one use
    by WIPOorgUK on Friday March 08 2002, @11:56PM (#5190)
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    Just posted this on Greenpeace site:

    The authorities have bastardized words for one use - as a fatally flawed trademark system.

    Hello, my name is Garry Anderson. I have been in contact, for quite some time, with US and UK authorities (and lawyers) on these domain and trademark problems.

    Virtually every word is trademarked, be it Alpha to Omega or Aardvark to Zulu, most many times over.

    MOST share the same words or initials with MANY others in a different business and/or country.

    For example, the World Trade Organization (WTO) shares its initials with six trademarks - in the U.S. alone.

    The United Nations World Intellectual Property Organization and the United States Department of Commerce know the answer to exclusively identify ALL trademark domains.

    It would allow ALL to use their trademark, without 'consumer confusion', 'trademark conflict' and 'passing off'.

    Based on all evidence, I believe the authorities are corrupt. If they truly wanted rid of these problems, why do they not use the solution?

    People and small non-trademarked businesses could then use domains without these excuses being used to take away their legal property in UDRP.

    The simple solution was ratified by honest attorneys - including the honourable G. Gervaise Davis III, UN WIPO panellist judge.

    Please visit WIPO.org.uk to see - no connection with United Nations WIPO.org.
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    Greenpeace hypocrisy
    by dtobias (dan@tobias.name) on Saturday March 09 2002, @06:34AM (#5194)
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    That statement of theirs is actually hypocritical if you analyze it fully... they oppose corporate ownership of names, but then criticize new.net for "holding hostage" greenpeace.[TLD] in their system because Greenpeace would have to pay them if it wanted to get those names before somebody else, perhaps a critic of Greenpeace, did. It sounds then like they'd like to eliminate all corporate trademarks except for their own... they're not about to let the name "Greenpeace" fall into the public domain and be available for the use of anybody who comes along. If they weren't protective of this name in a corporate manner, they wouldn't care if others could come along and register that name in new.net or any other naming system that comes along.
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    Re: Greenpeace Wants Its Own Root
    by fnord (groy2kNO@SPAMyahoo.com) on Saturday March 09 2002, @06:41AM (#5195)
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    Let's not blow this out of proportion. It was an anonymous posting on a Greenpeace message board. The board carries the prominent statement (twice):
    Comments and articles posted on the Greenpeace Cyberactivist Community are owned by the person who posted them and do not necessarily represent the views of Greenpeace.
    Not unlike the ICANNWatch message board as it happens, so portraying this as an official Greenpeace position is well off the mark.

    Interestingly, David Hernand , CEO of new.net, has responded there to correct the error that new.net names go to the highest bidder (they don't, they have a fixed price), and offers to donate a Greenpeace.* new.net name.

    Nevertheless, while this clearly isn't a Greenpeace position, it may be a hint of things to come. As I said here in response to the Lynn roadmap, ICANN, to the extent that it is making itself a tool of big biz and big governments, is painting a target on itself for those who oppose some actions of big biz and big governments. There will probably come a time when they'll wish they hadn't done that. FWIW, I was one of the first members of Greenpeace. -g

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