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    New gTLDs XTNS offers new gTLDs (sort of)
    posted by DavidP on Friday August 31 2001, @01:44AM

    XTNS, in partnership with RealNames, has launched a new batch of what they call “Open Domains” – domains defined by their prefix rather than their suffix (e.g. www.whatever, store.xyz), starting with four 'domains': www., store., corp., and sex.

    Though I'm a little hazy about the technology they're using, their press release notes:

    "Our namespaces sit on top of DNS in a complementary relationship and form a perfect fit with anticipated extensions and enhancements to the DNS, meaning we permit new functionality over the existing system and future developments. By doing so, we enable XTNS's system to overlay the DNS, enhancing it without interfering with it or damaging it in any way. . . . It is central to XTNS's intent to work closely with bodies such as IETF and ICANN, and be supportive of the ongoing work of these bodies, and the single root structure or DNS."

    Only I.E. users, however, can resolve the names that are provided (though XTNS notes that over 80% of users worldwide are using the I.E. browser)

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    Re: XTNS offers new gTLDs (sort of)
    by dtobias (dan@tobias.name) on Friday August 31 2001, @02:41AM (#2079)
    User #2967 Info | http://domains.dan.info/
    Like I've said all along, these XTNS things are not domain names. They're merely a proprietary extension to a proprietary keyword system, designed to kinda, sorta, resemble domains because they have dots in them and are sometimes assigned in some sort of hierarchy -- except that the hierarchy is artificial, not built into the system as it is with the DNS, as exemplified by the fact that the XTNS people get to change their mind at will as to whether the hierarchical levels go right-to-left (as in real domain names) or left-to-right (as they're doing now with the "prefix-based" names).

    And, don't forget, this system of theirs works only for users of MSIE for Windows... so I guess anybody using Netscape, Opera, Lynx, Konquerer, etc.... or Macintosh, Linux, WebTV, etc... is not part of these guys' "Internet". (See my Brand X Browsers Page.)
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    If the XTNS people are such technical wizards...
    by dtobias (dan@tobias.name) on Saturday September 01 2001, @08:09AM (#2111)
    User #2967 Info | http://domains.dan.info/
    then how come their store and message boards are in URLs that have a raw IP address as their host? Do they not know how to configure the DNS for a hostname within their own domain, like store.xtns.net and forums.xtns.net?
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    Why this obsession with XTNS?
    by dtobias (dan@tobias.name) on Saturday September 01 2001, @01:04PM (#2123)
    User #2967 Info | http://domains.dan.info/
    Why is it that articles on XTNS attract by far the highest number of messages in the discussion on this site? Surely other topics are more worthy of comment than this pathetic proprietary keyword system that pretends to be some sort of "domain name".

    I guess it's that cowardly anonymous XTNS flack person who's responsible...
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    Proprietary, vendor-specific namespace...
    by dtobias (dan@tobias.name) on Tuesday September 04 2001, @01:46PM (#2211)
    User #2967 Info | http://domains.dan.info/
    I notice that whenever I or anybody else points out the obvious fact that XTNS, given that it only works on MSIE for Windows, is a vendor-specific "solution" that is not in any way part of the open-standards-based Internet, the silence from the XTNS cheerleader is deafening.

    Will there ever be a way for users of Netscape or Mozilla or Opera or Lynx or Konquerer or PWWebSpeak... or Macintosh or Linux or WebTV or Sega Dreamcast... or email or FTP or IRC or telnet or traceroute or ping... people running the applications of their choice under the platform of their choice to use the Internet protocols of their choice... to use those new XTNS pseudo-domain-names for this purpose? If not, then this is just a proprietary feature in one vendor's program, not an address space for the Internet.
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    XTNS "hot suggestions" are getting colder...
    by dtobias (dan@tobias.name) on Wednesday September 05 2001, @09:48AM (#2226)
    User #2967 Info | http://domains.dan.info/
    Looking some more in the XTNS site, I see on their "store" page these "hot suggestions" of possible names to register in their system:

    A few problems here: They presently only allow names with one dot in them, not two. And they've withdrawn www as an acceptable prefix. Thus, none of their "hot suggestions" are actually usable as names in their system!
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    Re: Show me one working name ? ? ?
    by dtobias (dan@tobias.name) on Saturday September 01 2001, @01:02AM (#2097)
    User #2967 Info | http://domains.dan.info/
    Of course, in the present DNS they're perfectly capable of creating subdomains like camry.toyota.com for that purpose.

    By the way, "index.html" is a default index file, and you don't have to actually type it... you could slice it off your example URL above and shorten it up a bit.
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    Re: Show me one working name ? ? ?
    by dtobias (dan@tobias.name) on Saturday September 01 2001, @01:17AM (#2098)
    User #2967 Info | http://domains.dan.info/
    This "XTNS" thing is just yet another example of what's rampant on the Internet these days. First, the techie geeks create a system (DNS in this case) capable of expressing complex hierarchical structures. Then, the clueless newbies and the marketing types who pander to them fail to understand or appreciate this structure, so they treat DNS like it's a flat namespace ending in .com. Finally, in the third act of this play, some other marketing type comes in with a "revolutionary" new scheme that does just what the original system did, only in a greatly inferior way -- but, unlike the open standards-based method developed by the geeks in Act 1, this way is proprietary and involves everybody sending lots of money to the marketing type in charge of it. "Reinventing the wheel" can be profitable if it lets you get a patent on it...

    I've run into many examples of this sort of "three-act play", in areas ranging from domain names to Web browser features. After Web designers succeeded in disabling or overriding practically every feature of HTML , HTTP, or browsers, originally designed to make Web pages able to flexibly adapt to the user's needs, a market then developed for proprietary "solutions" that reinvented, in a much clumsier and more awkward way, some of the features that were there in the first place but were ignored or disabled.

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    Re: XTNS System working today
    by fnord (groy2kNO@SPAMyahoo.com) on Sunday September 02 2001, @07:33PM (#2134)
    User #2810 Info
    Anon writes:
    XTNS have stated their system works in 87%+ of all Internet users browsers "today", which is true by virtue of the fact that it employes IE 5.0 and above.
    No it is not true. Using IE 5.5 XTNS names do not work today. Period. Their system works on approximately zero percent of browsers (I'm allowing some slack because they might have some inhouse build of Opera that works, a near trivial thing to do, but I seriously doubt they have even that capability). The XTNS system does not work today, for anyone. Prove me wrong by providing just one single link (oops, sorry, even if it worked it wouldn't do links), by providing an address that resolves (via IE 5.5 I mean, I know it won't do ftp or other protocols) or STFU. What you, whomever you are, are saying is a complete and utter falsehood. What worries me is that there might be some speculators out there even more clueless than you are who believe this drek. I'm not too worried though, that is nearly impossible.

    they have made really clear that they will be activated soon and thereafter it will take some 48-72 hours before any given registered name within one of the spaces itself goes live.
    They haven't made it clear at all. Such a statement appears nowhere in their press releases or on their website (until the last step when registering a name). Quite the opposite, as I've quoted their spew here at least twice, it claims to be immediately available. It is false anyway, 72 hours after names are registered they do not resolve.
    Is that so hard to understand?
    Not at all. Anyone who has been online for even a few minutes is aware that their email box, Usenet, and search engine results (just to name three) are full of such braindead crap about making millions of dollars by doing next to nothing. That worked a very few times for a very few people a long time ago in a namespace far away. XTNS is best given a wide berth, not that one could collide with it even if one tried. -g
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    Re: You can see XTNS/RealNames System working
    by fnord (groy2kNO@SPAMyahoo.com) on Monday September 03 2001, @09:24AM (#2155)
    User #2810 Info
    XTNS does not use the same technology as Verisign's ML testbed. You may be taking this joke too far as Verisign may not have much of a sense of humor. -g
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    Re: Why 72 hours?
    by fnord (groy2kNO@SPAMyahoo.com) on Monday September 03 2001, @10:03AM (#2156)
    User #2810 Info
    Anon AKA cowardly anonymous XTNS flack person writes:
    Where did this 72 hours thing come from? XTNS from day-one of launching these domains said that activation of them would be in the near future and once each domain is activated THEN it would take a further 48-72 hours to activate each individual registered name.
    Oh, I see. So that is 72 hours plus the near future. If that near future is sort of like the near future (5+ months) it takes XTNS to transfer a .com name they supposedly own then I imagine those few who have bought names might see them work before they receive a billing for another year's registration if they're lucky.
    Why is this so hard for you to understand?
    Because the press releases and other statements clearly state that the system works now. These are two incompatible alternatives so forgive me for my cognitive dissonance. The press releases do not jibe with what you are saying here and at XTNS (nice black on black color scheme BTW).
    Were you bashing Afflias and Neulevel early this year for not "proving" that .info and .biz are working?
    Yes I have bashed Afilias and NeuLevel. That is what is so great about this satire. One clueless person can put up a website selling thin air and to all intents and purposes be indiscernible from huge megacorps who paid ICANN $50k. I commend you. This is a brilliant masterstroke. -g
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    Re: Ask XTNS, not this board
    by fnord (groy2kNO@SPAMyahoo.com) on Monday September 03 2001, @10:08AM (#2157)
    User #2810 Info
    Or someone close to them? Even XTNS registrants are fleeing their message board. -g
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    Re: No, XTNS permit www 3LDs
    by dtobias (dan@tobias.name) on Thursday September 06 2001, @05:01AM (#2244)
    User #2967 Info | http://domains.dan.info/
    Of course, real domain names don't depend on what Microsoft does... only proprietary, browser-specific "features" like XTNS have to care whether MS implements them or not. Real domains simply get added to the ICANN root and are accessible by users of all browsers.
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    by fnord (groy2kNO@SPAMyahoo.com) on Friday September 07 2001, @09:48AM (#2273)
    User #2810 Info
    Clarity is a good thing. XTNS is not. Their new announcement that a Micro$oft browser change is responsible for their delay is just the latest in a long line of excuses. They had previously said they were waiting for Micro$oft to turn on their servers, :) and had also tried to spin that what they were selling was pre-registrations (hey, if ICANN can do it, why not?). In fact if one types in the address line of IE 5.5 bbbbbbbbbbbb or www.bbbbbbbbbbbb or http://www.bbbbbbbbbbbb one receives three different results, a not very robust design, and at any rate none of them, or any other string you can think of, are workable via XTNS. Thank goodness this drek has scrolled off the front page for all but those with weird prefs. I continue my contrition for ever mentioning their name. -g
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