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    Verisign/NSI VeriSign Pulls Plug on Domain-Policy List
    posted by michael on Thursday May 24 2001, @05:26AM

    Without warning, VeriSign today pulled the plug on the venerable Domain-Policy list. The archives seem to have vanished too. The final message to the list from Tom Newell, announcing immediate stoppage, is reprinted inside.

    The move comes as VeriSign is newly secure in its monopoly in .com. And, in the past few days the firm was stung by a series of posts regarding a lawsuit by a former employee. While it's true that there are other places to discuss domain name issues (here for example!), pulling the plug in this way removes archives from the reach of Internet historians. The lack of advance notice also makes it hard for anyone else to volunteer to take over the list at a new host. VeriSign certainly has no obligation to host a mailing list for its critics, although one would have hoped they were big enough to take it with less petulance. But the decent thing to do would be to leave up the archives, and to make the subscriber list available to a suitable volunteer host if one materializes.



    Here is the text of the last message on the Domain-Policy list:

    Date: Tue, 24 May 0101 11:13:49 -0400
    From: Tom Newell {tomn@LISTS.NETSOL.COM}
    To: DOMAIN-POLICY@LISTS.NETSOL.COM
    Subject: List deactivation

    This list will be closed effective immediately. When we started the list many years ago, there were no lists specifically focusing on domain policy issues. Today there are a wide range of public lists that address this topic.

    Thank you very much for your participation.

    Please refer all queries to Brian O'Shaughnessy, of VeriSign's Corporate Communications department at boshaughnessy@verisign.com.

    --Tom

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    Very Disappointing, Poorly Handled
    by lextext on Thursday May 24 2001, @06:24AM (#641)
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    Personally, I find this very disappointing. The Domain-Policy list has always been noisy, but it's also been a great place to get information on the arcane issues of domain name administration. This is an area that's becoming increasingly complex with the addition of new registrars and new TLDs. I've always viewed it as a credit to NSI, Verisign and all of its employees that it both sponsored the list and actively participated in it. Years before the Cluetrain left the station, NSI was already on board, actively engaging its customers in an online dialogue with knowledgeable, senior managers, not clueless customer service reps. In spite of new competition in the domain name registration market, I've kept my domain name registrations with NSI for one reason: because I knew I could turn to the NSI employees I had met on the Domain-Policy list if something went wrong.

    By abandoning the list, Verisign is making room for one of its competitors to now sponsor a similar list. I doubt much time at all will pass before someone still on board the train siezes the opportunity. And I'll become acquainted with a new set of experts.

    It's also hard not to view the crude way in which the list was terminated (no notice, no opportunity for list members to organize a new list or download the archives) against the U.S. Department of Commerce's approval last week to give Verisign near-perpetual control of the .com registry. Now secure in its position as the dominant registry and dominant registrar, Verisign takes years of important archives off-line and abruptly ends an ongoing dialogue with some of its best customers. Let's hope this is not a sign of what is to come.

    -- Bret
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    AP coverage
    by alexander on Thursday May 24 2001, @11:13AM (#644)
    User #22 Info | http://www.icannchannel.de
    VeriSign Ends Critical Discussion
    Associated Press 1:05 p.m. May 24, 2001 PDT
    http://www.wired.com/news/ebiz/0,1272,44080,00.html

    [...]
    Brian O'Shaughnessy, a VeriSign spokesman, said the closure
    had nothing to do with the criticisms. If that had been the
    case, he said, VeriSign would have shut down the list long ago.

    [...]

    ICANNwatch is mentioned, too.
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    Moderation and Rubbish Posts
    by michael (froomkin@lawUNSPAM.tm) on Friday May 25 2001, @04:06AM (#658)
    User #4 Info | http://www.discourse.net/
    It's PHP-Nuke (and version 4.2 at that) not Slashcode, alas, and so far we have turned off moderation. As a result, all signed posts go in at "1" and all anonymous ones go in at "0". User moderation is not well implemented in this version of PHP-Nuke (in fact, it's near useless). There is a decent editor-only moderation function, but we don't intend to use that unless we have to.
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    Re: VeriSign Pulls Plug on Domain-Policy List
    by sergio on Sunday May 27 2001, @04:15AM (#674)
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    Good point this one. Anyway the clue of the "story" is : massive use of power, by NSI obviously. The way the list has been closed is such a clear point: we have the power, "shut up" . And all of this is coming just the same week the modified agreement was signed. Would NSI have done the same thang if it was just few days ago before the approval by DOC? I don't have a clue, they have. Anyway, critics apart, the whole point is to get back the archive and understand exactly why NSI had such an use of power, (this reminds better the word abuse).
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    Re: VeriSign Pulls Plug on Domain-Policy List
    by pappas on Tuesday May 29 2001, @10:06AM (#680)
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    These are the ONLY people who posted to the list on May 23 and May 24:


    Tom Newell

    !Dr. Joe Baptista

    Jeff Williams

    Karl Peters

    John Berryhill PhD

    Bruce James

    flip levin

    Dan Steinberg

    Jay R. Ashworth

    David Howe

    Roeland Meyer

    Richard J. Sexton

    Admin (Russ Smith)


    There is no "Danny" who posted to the list on the day it was closed or any time on the previous day.

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